Talk:Crossroads, Part I/Archive 1

From Battlestar Wiki, the free, open content Battlestar Galactica encyclopedia and episode guide
Revision as of 07:52, 22 March 2007 by Jonesj3599 (talk | contribs) (Six Degrees of Seperation no longer relevant.)

Promo Pics

Are here. --FrankieG 19:54, 27 February 2007 (CST)

Tried to go there, but I get the following: Forbidden

You don't have permission to access /drewcypher/gallery/000a9064 on this server. Bstone 08:09, 13 March 2007 (CDT)

NBC cracked down on websites publishing the highres press photos.. They are still here: --Serenity 08:45, 13 March 2007 (CDT)


I was too busy drooling over my favorite Suicide Girl to spend much time in front of the ol' crystal ball this week, but I got in a little bit of quality future-gazing at the last minute.

  • Beau locks the Battlestar Wiki, causing widespread panic throughout the Fleet! Without the ability to edit, how are our remaining 41,000 citizens supposed to comment on the shocking accuracy of their beloved seer's predictions? Riots! Fire! Premarital sex! And that's all just the teaser! In the end, however, they will make due and will remember that editing a wiki isn't everything. :)
  • Back in February, my crystal ball told me that the trial of Baltar would begin. Obviously, the ball had a little too much Fleet wheat and tossed me a prediction for this episode instead. Yep, blame it on others, that's me. The Admiral would be so disappointed.
  • We've all seen Caprica and Tigh exchanging bruises in the preview for this episode. This will be the only Cylon-on-human violence we see in the entire episode, and probably in the rest of the season.
  • Baltar publically reveals during his trial that Roslin's cancer was cured by Hera's blood and that Hera is half-Cylon. The Fleet goes nuts. Baltar also reveals the plot to steal the Presidency and how it was covered up after the election. I've got a feeling he'll also reveal some shady goings-on during the year on New Caprica that we haven't seen.
  • As the trial goes on, Tigh and Zarek are in charge of the military and civilian branches of the Fleet, respectively. They've never been fans of each other and now they're going to lock horns like never before.
  • At the end of the episode, the Fleet jumps to a new system. Something sparks a huge shouting match between Zarek and Tigh, during which Gaeta detects... something. I'm not sure what it is, but it's the last marker on the road to Earth. Unfortunately, the Cylons are already there. After reorganizing in the wake of boxing an entire model, the Cylon expeditionary fleet has actually gotten ahead of the Colonials in just a few jumps. Baltar's trial is interrupted by this event and the episode ends on a cliffhanger.

After nearly half a season without them, the Cylons return in a big way this episode. While I'd personally like Baltar's trial to remain as human as possible, I'm afraid you can't have a season finale without the Cylons making a grand appearance and leaving everything hanging in the balance. --Slander 13:57, 16 March 2007 (CDT)

(*snif*) No mention of Galvatron? Is he being left to rust somewhere in space by something more evil than he: lawyers? --Spencerian 15:44, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
Starscream, obviously. --Peter Farago 17:54, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
Sorry, guys. I thought Galvatron's presence would be obvious, keeping previous predictions in mind. He's in his new Pretender disguise: Romo Lampkin. --Slander 23:58, 16 March 2007 (CDT)
I'm looking forward to Cylon presence, we haven't seen any Cylons (save for Athena and Caprica-Six) since "Rapture". Or have we? --Catrope(Talk to me or e-mail me) 14:49, 17 March 2007 (CDT)

Some thoughts: Could the strange noises and/or music that Tigh, Anders, and Foster hear be early radio waves from Earth? Are they close enough (within 100 light years) that the earlier transmissions from 1900-present are reaching Galactica? We have been broadcasting radio waves into space for over 100 years. If this is in any way correct, the closer they get to Earth, the more recent the broadcast will be. Tigh says the sounds are coming from the ship... the only thing I can figure is if they indeed ARE radio waves, the ship would have to act as an antenna of some sort to pick up the signal. Just a guess, but to me the sounds were old, scratchy, and very much reminiscent of earlier radio transmission. This also does not explain why Tigh, Anders, and Foster are the only ones who hear it (unless they are 3 of the 5 cylons, of course complete with built-in AM/FM tuners). --Captain Finlay 15:27, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

I'd go with the latter option, the ship (or something in the ship) acting as an antenna is not possible AFAIK. Tigh listening to Earth broadcasts is a nice idea, but I think such signals would be extremely weak, or at least too weak for Tigh's wireless. The episode does indeed suggest that Tigh, Anders and Foster have something in common, but it would be strange if that turns out to be Cylonness. Anders and Foster can very well be Cylons, but Tigh has a confirmed history going way back. --Catrope(Talk to me or e-mail me) 10:34, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

403 Error

I keep getting a 403 error when I try to look at the Crossroads Pt. 1 page. Never mind it's being cooperative now. Or not. --BklynBruzer 10:27, 17 March 2007 (CDT)

When will this article be unlocked ?

I know the whole site has been unlocked, but this article appears to still be in lockdown mode. How long will we need to wait before permissions are restored?--LifeStar 15:24, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

Thus spake Joe:
"Even after this, I expect the wiki to be slow and may even have to protect “Crossroads, Part I” from editing even after the site-wide lockdown."
The day after an episode we've been getting hammered, and I suspect today is no exception. I expect that the traffic will die down enough such by tomorrow that Joe will unlock this page as well. If there's anything you feel needs to be added to the page while it is locked, you could add it here in the talk age (and copy & paste it later, or somebody else will), or create a subpage of your user page (or just a subsection of your user page) to store the thoughts/ideas/analysis/notes. --Steelviper 16:04, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
Performance is still extremely sluggish. It works as this very moment, but it's up and down all the time. --Serenity 16:24, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
Shane unlocked the article. I was honestly going to unlock it tomorrow morning, but I don't see how that would have really helped more not. At any rate, the article's unlocked. -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate 20:00, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

Anders in Uniform

Hey is Anders a pilot now cause they called him a nick name in the teaser --Snorkel378 17:25, 19 March 2007 (CDT)Snorkel378

No, they called him a nugget, which is Colonial Fleet slang for a pilot trainee. But since you've mentioned that, does anyone have a screen grab of this for Anders' page?--み使い Mitsukai 23:56, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

I know what a nugget is but you would think Anders would be a MArine considering his history in the Resistance --Snorkel378 18:00, 21 March 2007 (CDT)Snorkel378

Act 1 item

Since it's not editable, I'm posting here....

  1. Back on Galactica, in CIC, Admiral Adama orders a scan for any tracking devices that may have been left on Fleet ships during the New Caprica siege. Roslin insists on asking the incarcerated Caprica-Six for information. When Tigh objects, Roslin snaps back, uncharacteristically.
  1. Lee Adama enters CIC near Roslin, who is collecting herself in the Weapons Control station. He notices a cup and decanter in CIC, ostensibly belonging to Col. Tigh and smells it. His expression suggests the presence of alcohol.

I rewatched this scene, because I got something different out of it. I think this should read:

  1. Back on Galactica, in CIC, Admiral Adama, Lee Adama, Col. Tigh, and President Rosline are discussing the baseships. Someone brings Roslin a decanter of tea? Admiral Adama orders a scan for any tracking devices that may have been left on Fleet ships during the New Caprica siege. Roslin insists on asking the incarcerated Caprica-Six for information. When Tigh objects, Roslin snaps back, uncharacteristically.
  1. Roslin walk to the Weapons Control station to collect herself. Lee Adama notices the cup belonging to Roslin; sniffs it and detects chamalla.

I think that Lee is taking Romo's lesson's to heart from the last episode and connecting Roslin's erratic behavior with her chamalla tea. -- Disputin 17:31, 19 March 2007

Agreed. At first I thought it was Tigh's too, but later it's explained as how he made the connection to Roslin still taking chamalla. That it's sweetened with sugar to mask the taste is explained by the oracle on New Caprica. --Serenity 17:57, 19 March 2007 (CDT)
I haven't listened to the podcast, but I suspect that the ambiguity was intentional. You're supposed to think it's Tigh's, and then realize that it was Roslin's all along. Not that Tigh drinking on duty ought to be anything of a revelation anyway. The man likes the sauce. --Steelviper 07:25, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
You can see Foster handing the can and cup to Roslin. It's not that obvious, and I missed it too at first, but it's clear that it's not Tigh's. --Serenity 07:32, 20 March 2007 (CDT)


Has anyone been able to find out why the opening title wasn't in the episode? --Moo 17:57, 19 March 2007 (CDT) Also, if we really want a survivor count, we could use what that lawyer gave us as a number during the trial (even though it seems a bit too low). --Moo 18:02, 19 March 2007 (CDT)

No, because that's too old. It's also somewhat conflicting (see my comment on Survivor Count talk). That number has to refer to the civilian population directly after the escape. But that discussion is better for the SC article.
From the podcast transcript:
"In case you're wondering, no we did not forget to put the pre-cap on that says, "The Cylons Were Created By Man," etc. etc. Truth is we were pressed for time on these last two and we asked for special dispensation to do away with the pre-cap, as we call it, and also with the main title. So-to give us-in order to give us more time to tell the story and really play this for all it's worth."
So there you have it. That's what I suspected happened. It sounds like they were really crunched for time on these last two episodes (considering the opening chop running a few minutes long next week). --Steelviper 07:31, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

Is the Eight at the opening Sharon Agathon or Boomer or another Eight? Kind of appears that Park has an expression more accustomed to Boomer on her face, as well as wearing her hair as Boomer. Huh? 06:26, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

I think it must be Sharon Agathon (Athena) since she's Hera's mother. --Moo 15:02, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
A comment made by RDM in the podcast indicated that there was a moment shot (but later cut) where they saw each other in the officer's head (the bathroom) and had a moment where they weren't QUITE ready yet to talk to each other about the fact that they'd had a dream with each other in it. It's in act 1 of the podcast transcript, if you're interested. --Steelviper 15:31, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

Refinery Ship

Did anyone here Tivo the episode? In the scene on the refinery ship, I thought I saw Olmos in a cameo. He looked like he had the Gaff mustache from Blade Runner. Can anyone check this? --Whalepelt 09:39, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

I haven't checked it, but I doubt it. It's probably just cut footage from "Dirty Hands" or possible even copied from the aired version. --Serenity 10:14, 20 March 2007 (CDT)
I have a copy, and the bit with the scruffy mustachioed man is about 10:35 into the episode. It does look a little like Olmos, but it's hard to tell, and the eyes don't seem quite right. In any case, if he is a Cylon, he could've gone a little further with avoiding looking like his admiral counterpart. :) --Saforrest 00:43, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
Yeah, I noticed it immediately when watching the scene. But I seriously doubt they that's really EJO. There is no reason for such a camo of a high-profile actor. --Serenity 10:50, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
Unless, as Saforrest suggested, Adama is ... a Cylon! *cues Cylon theme* :D. -- Gordon Ecker 19:22, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

Disagreement on this point in the analysis

I took out this line from the analysis by Serenity. There a few points that I disagree with how this is worded:

"Racetrack continues her history of trying to escape at the first sign of danger ("Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II", "Occupation", "Torn"). However this time, her Raptor is actually in immediate danger of being destroyed by the Cylons and jumps away at the last moment."

  • This isn't the first time that Racetrack has escaped from imminent danger. In "Dirty Hands", she and her ECO barely escaped from the Raptor before it collided with Colonial One and probably exploded because of the impure tylium fuel.
  • She was not running at the first sign of danger in "Occupation", they had reached their daily time limit on waiting for contact from New Caprica and yes had begun to pick up some Cylon activity. The last thing that they want is the Cylons to know that a Raptor is constantly waiting for a signal. She stayed long enough to send back the message to the resistance and then left to report the good news.
  • In "Torn", we are not told that she and Athena immediately ran away once they saw the dying baseship. She was freaked out as any pilot would, but once they realized that the baseship and the other fighters were immobile, she had more of a expression of confusion than fear.
  • In "Kobol's Last Gleaming, Part II", it was the first time we were introduced to Racetrack. Her expression of fear I would think is natural as no human had ever been inside a new Cylon baseship. Considering that the nuke did not dislodged as planned and that Boomer went outside unexpectedly, it probably would freak out anyone.

Anyhows, we can put this line back in later, but I think it needs to be rewritten. I honestly don't think that this character trait is just to Racetrack alone. Boomer in the mini-series did the same thing once she and Helo realized that the Vipers were being destroyed. I would think any smart Raptor pilot would know when to bug out since their ship isn't the most fighter capable.--LifeStar 12:39, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

-sigh- In how many places do you want to bring this up? I mentioned it on your talk page, because you have an issue with it and then you replied to it on mine. Now you discuss it here as well. That's completely unnecessary.
People can think that she's a coward or that she's doing her job. It doesn't say anything either way. I agree that "Occupation" isn't really a good example as the time is merely up, but the others are not cases of her running away from immediate danger. Except for "Dirty Hands" which doesn't fall into this pattern and thus isn't even mentioned. You are the one bringing that into this. Let's just remove it, as your attempts at rewording just twisted into something wrong. --Serenity 12:54, 20 March 2007 (CDT)

Six Degrees of Seperation no longer relevant.

It seems that the events in Episode "Six Degrees of Seperation" just dont matter anymore. I notice a lack of continuity with the events and their relevance in any further episodes with Baltar being potentially implicated in the initial genocide. Also, no one seems to acknowledge that Six looked like the same Six that was in that episode. Finally, the story arc of her dissappearing so quickly has never been explored. Somehow I had imagined these final two episodes might explain the plot holes (or dangling plot lines if you will) of that episode. Any thoughts? --Baltarstar 18:06, 21 March 2007 (CDT)

Could you explain that a bit more? I just rewatched Six Degrees (Hmm, anyone think that the title could be a reference to the Cylon?), and I don't see it contradicting this at all. --BklynBruzer 18:43, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
Well, Six interacted with Roslyn and Adama and pictures were shown implicating him. Although later those pictures were shown to be doctored up, what makes no sense is why the interaction has not been linked to any of the trial now. For example, no one seems to remember Six being there and everyone is remembering her for the first time being captured as "Caprica" and no mention of "Shelly Godfrey". Has Roslyn, Adama, or anyone else asked "Hey, aren't you the same Cylon we met a year ago who accused Baltar of giving access to the colonial defensive grid?". Anyway, so I just find that episode to be an orphan in this series. It's unique aspects not fitting in at all with the plot. I don't know what the comment about the title referring to Six is supposed to mean. Obviously we all all know it's referring to Six, I certainly see no reason to doubt that. --Baltarstar 01:31, 22 March 2007 (CDT)
I haven't seen any contradiction. As Cassidy said to Tory Foster at the beginning of this episode, they couldn't go after Baltar about his involvement with Six before the fall of the Colonies because they had no solid evidence, other than Roslin's claim. They went after him with what they had: his collaboration with the Cylons on New Caprica, which includes the signed execution order. Also, while Shelly Godfrey's "disappearing" at the end of "Six Degrees of Separation" isn't explained, it doesn't really have any bearing on the storyline whatsoever. (She more than likely spaced herself, thus killing herself and removing her body from the fleet, but that's utterly academic now.) -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate 20:31, 21 March 2007 (CDT)
Case in point. You're speaking of them "needing proof". I'm speaking of the storyline, not just the trial. Roslyn nor Adama are responding to the connection to the events in Six degrees. What about that photograph of Baltar in the defense mainframe? What about "Shelly Godfrey"? What about her interaction despite being obviously responsive to Baltar's own choices. And finally, the idea that she just "spaced" herself (whatever that means) is totally not working. You can't kill yourself and then remove your own body, let alone so quickly that you turn a corner with Marines hot on your trail and accomplish this feat. It's far from academic, it's a plot hole that I noticed when that episode first aired and I suspected that this episode would be ignored plotwise. Name one scene in season 2 or 3 where any evens in Six Degrees had any relevance. At the very least, when they were interrogating Baltar and they had him doped up... they never asked him about her. Why? Because that episode stretched the limits of credibility. --Baltarstar 01:29, 22 March 2007 (CDT)
  • Shelly Godfrey appeared and disappeared with no explanation and no further event like this has happened again. Cylons have not been known to disappear (or space out as you call it). I can make a stretch that Baltar's "divine" abilities may be related to some greater plotline that simply has not been established. Maybe Baltar is one of the first five. But Shelly certainly is not Caprica Six. Shelly certainly did not "die". She was not resurrected on any basestar. Her interaction with Baltar does not carry over to any of the other sixes. No, She represents some greater unexplained phenomonon surrounding Baltar (or the episode was a plot orphan).
  • Roslyn remembered vaguely seeing Baltar with Six, but oops, Shelly looks just like her. Roslyn never asks "Baltar, was the woman on board last year the same woman I saw you with? She accused you of being behind the destruction of the 12 colonies, now what happened to her, and how did she disappear"... something! Again, when Six Degrees ended, I had a feeling that they would just hope we all forgot about that episode.
  • Adama wanted an investigation on how she dissappeared... what ever happeend with that?
  • This site even tries to explain the plot-hole. From calling her a Cylon-Related Hallucination...which comes with doctored footage that computers can reverse analyze to dialogue which tends to line up with disjointed events...
  • Godfrey will have to be explained again in the future. I believe she should be explained when (or if) Baltar ever confronts Caprica-Six. I also believe that Dr. Amorak's demise or something about the Olympic Carrier may also need to be clarified to fill in this growing by the episode plot-hole! --Baltarstar 01:48, 22 March 2007 (CDT)
When I say "spaced", I mean she threw herself out into space (more specifically, she probably found an airlock on Galactica, jumped into it, and vented herself out into space). It's not the magical phenomenon you believe it to be, apparently... And I'm gonna have a chill run down my back when I say this, but it's spelled Laura Roslin not Laura Roslyn. ::cringe:: -- Joe Beaudoin So say we all - Donate 05:28, 22 March 2007 (CDT)
It's been awhile since I've seen this episode but if I recall most of the episode was shot from Baltar's perspective. So it's possible this Six that accused Baltar really looked completely different but Baltar hallucinated her as being a Six. This episode seems to be partially based on showing that virtual six (or Baltar by proxy of virtual six) has some divine or super-natural abilities, possibly as a lead in to "The Hand of God" and "Home, Part II". Also, the way this episode was shot, it's possible that the entire event was a delusion brought on by the virtual six(whoever or whatever she may be) to scare Baltar into compliance and to convince him that she has super-natural abilities. The complete lack of referrence to these events by other characters would only support this theory(as they would have no recollection of these events since they didn't happen,) as does the last thing said by virtual six when Baltar asks about Shelly "Was she even here?". Virtual Six's motives for doing this would be to show Baltar that he's dealing with more than just a random delusion or a chip in his brain, and to scare him into doing what she wants or fear exposure. If she has complete control over Baltar's consciousness then there would be no reason whatsoever to include the other characters when she could simply cause a delusion within Baltar's head. In fact attempting these actions in the real world would be less effective than simply causing a hallucination, especially since she is attempting to impart a feeling that she has complete control of the world and an ability to manipulate other people (something that's at least probably proven not true by her seeming unaware of Roslin's hiding of the baby and her anger at Baltar for failing to protect her.)--Jonesj3599 09:51, 22 March 2007 (CDT)